Comments on: Why Mumbai’s Slums are Villages http://www.airoots.org A blog by Rahul Srivastava and Matias Echanove on adventitious roots, urban forests and villages, natural cities, lost tribes, new nomads and everything in between and under... Tue, 13 Aug 2013 03:30:59 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Luke http://www.airoots.org/why-mumbai%e2%80%99s-slums-are-villages/comment-page-1/#comment-4809 Luke Thu, 03 Feb 2011 05:12:24 +0000 http://www.airoots.org/?page_id=512#comment-4809 Remember I mean KOKNI and Not KONKANI. Konkani is the language studied by the Portuguese and altered for lack of elements brought in by them. Example Pagar = Pay in konkani and not Kokni. Earlier people worked for exchange - Barter, Hence the word pay does not exist. The Portuguese created this word since they brought in a system with them. They studied Kokni and additions made by them to the language was called Konkani. They did this - calling this added on words to the original Kokni as Konkani only to preserve the original Kokni and not dissolve it. They Proselytized in the native tongue. Hence the churches. The british didnt build churches they were here on business. Or else the whole of the GUlf would have Churches. The British were there too. Most villages have been given last names of clergy men who converted villages here. These last names are of Portuguese and not British. Ferreira, Mendes, Fernandes. The British surnames were DIFFERENT mc Donald, John, Mac Millan etc. Bottom line - Kokni is the mother of all languages. In coastal Karnataka a rock was found with Kokni inscriptions dated some 2000 years ago. If you read above that Konkani is portuguese additions to KOKNI what would you tell those who say that the rock has inscription in Konkani. Well Its Kokni. Study will only help you. not surfing the net. Remember I mean KOKNI and Not KONKANI. Konkani is the language studied by the Portuguese and altered for lack of elements brought in by them. Example Pagar = Pay in konkani and not Kokni. Earlier people worked for exchange – Barter, Hence the word pay does not exist. The Portuguese created this word since they brought in a system with them.

They studied Kokni and additions made by them to the language was called Konkani. They did this – calling this added on words to the original Kokni as Konkani only to preserve the original Kokni and not dissolve it. They Proselytized in the native tongue. Hence the churches. The british didnt build churches they were here on business. Or else the whole of the GUlf would have Churches. The British were there too.
Most villages have been given last names of clergy men who converted villages here. These last names are of Portuguese and not British. Ferreira, Mendes, Fernandes. The British surnames were DIFFERENT mc Donald, John, Mac Millan etc.

Bottom line – Kokni is the mother of all languages. In coastal Karnataka a rock was found with Kokni inscriptions dated some 2000 years ago. If you read above that Konkani is portuguese additions to KOKNI what would you tell those who say that the rock has inscription in Konkani. Well Its Kokni. Study will only help you. not surfing the net.

]]> By: Luke http://www.airoots.org/why-mumbai%e2%80%99s-slums-are-villages/comment-page-1/#comment-4808 Luke Thu, 03 Feb 2011 05:01:06 +0000 http://www.airoots.org/?page_id=512#comment-4808 Its unfortunate this article was written in lieu of material available for public consumption by the authorities. Here is a fact. The Bhim raja had surveyed 15,000 villages in the salsette and the upper Mobai = Mob [People] Aai [Mother] in Kokni. Today political parties want to assert a religious historical existence by altering history. Hence its called Mumbai today after a Goddess Mumba devi. What is interesting is that this temple around Crawford market is maintained by Gujrathis - High class hindus [So called / or they claim to be]. The premise of this temple being built was that its a Hindu Temple. Why is this an irony? Well, the fisher class and the Pathare Prabhu's were included in the Hindu fold since they had the land and had lower classes or poorer classes [in hinduism are the lower class] working for them. Most Pathare Prabhu's converted to Christianity. If the temple was built for the fishermen then why are they not maintaining or let alone, allowed inside. The Kokni tribe being indigenous have been always sidelined for their meek ways. The Portuguese saw this and saw that their rights were protected by forming these Gaothans. Remember a village has a church next to it. That shows that the Portuguese converted villages that were already in existence prior to their arrival. The natives followed the Buddhist faith, since they rejected or evolved from the Hindu faith to this new dynamic philosophy. RULERS HAVE CHANGES HANDS OF THIS CITY ANd ITS VILLAGES. It does not mean this land was without children. This land had its children in the form of Kunbis, Kolis and the Kumbhars. This land had its saitns prior to the Aryan invasion / or the onslaught of Hinduism. The rock carvings on mountains are places of meditation and not for cave men. This land created the script "Dev nagri". The land of Saints. This Script Dev nagri has given shape to all languages today. But sadly, politics of money, religion and power have wiped out truth from a nation whose philosophy depends on it - Satyame Vijayate". Here again an IRONY. The old Moguls too have surveys of this island. They have their Kuran read in Kokni language. Which is far older than URDU and Sanskrit. Mobai has been raped by the Greedy thats all. All the information provided in this well written essay is a sham with regard to truth. If truth be depended on books only, then all wars would break hell on the world, they all tell different truths. Have fun finding the truth. Its really difficult. Its unfortunate this article was written in lieu of material available for public consumption by the authorities.
Here is a fact.
The Bhim raja had surveyed 15,000 villages in the salsette and the upper Mobai = Mob [People] Aai [Mother] in Kokni. Today political parties want to assert a religious historical existence by altering history. Hence its called Mumbai today after a Goddess Mumba devi. What is interesting is that this temple around Crawford market is maintained by Gujrathis – High class hindus [So called / or they claim to be]. The premise of this temple being built was that its a Hindu Temple. Why is this an irony? Well, the fisher class and the Pathare Prabhu’s were included in the Hindu fold since they had the land and had lower classes or poorer classes [in hinduism are the lower class] working for them. Most Pathare Prabhu’s converted to Christianity. If the temple was built for the fishermen then why are they not maintaining or let alone, allowed inside.

The Kokni tribe being indigenous have been always sidelined for their meek ways. The Portuguese saw this and saw that their rights were protected by forming these Gaothans. Remember a village has a church next to it. That shows that the Portuguese converted villages that were already in existence prior to their arrival. The natives followed the Buddhist faith, since they rejected or evolved from the Hindu faith to this new dynamic philosophy. RULERS HAVE CHANGES HANDS OF THIS CITY ANd ITS VILLAGES. It does not mean this land was without children. This land had its children in the form of Kunbis, Kolis and the Kumbhars. This land had its saitns prior to the Aryan invasion / or the onslaught of Hinduism. The rock carvings on mountains are places of meditation and not for cave men. This land created the script “Dev nagri”. The land of Saints. This Script Dev nagri has given shape to all languages today. But sadly, politics of money, religion and power have wiped out truth from a nation whose philosophy depends on it – Satyame Vijayate”. Here again an IRONY.
The old Moguls too have surveys of this island. They have their Kuran read in Kokni language. Which is far older than URDU and Sanskrit. Mobai has been raped by the Greedy thats all. All the information provided in this well written essay is a sham with regard to truth. If truth be depended on books only, then all wars would break hell on the world, they all tell different truths.
Have fun finding the truth. Its really difficult.

]]> By: vivek sheth http://www.airoots.org/why-mumbai%e2%80%99s-slums-are-villages/comment-page-1/#comment-3921 vivek sheth Mon, 10 May 2010 06:13:19 +0000 http://www.airoots.org/?page_id=512#comment-3921 really interesting article. i love the cross referencing done with regards to hamlets of Khotachiwadi nature to the Slums. Understanding the growth pattern of these urban formats is something that is well achieved. really interesting article. i love the cross referencing done with regards to hamlets of Khotachiwadi nature to the Slums. Understanding the growth pattern of these urban formats is something that is well achieved.

]]> By: Nitin Pande http://www.airoots.org/why-mumbai%e2%80%99s-slums-are-villages/comment-page-1/#comment-3749 Nitin Pande Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:16:09 +0000 http://www.airoots.org/?page_id=512#comment-3749 A well done article ... I visited a immigration museum in New York that showed how people migrated in various parts of US. We should somewhere visually document the flow of people and cultures all over India. It would be an excellent source of learning about why we are what we are. A well done article …
I visited a immigration museum in New York that showed how people migrated in various parts of US.
We should somewhere visually document the flow of people and cultures all over India. It would be an excellent source of learning about why we are what we are.

]]> By: yogesh pawar http://www.airoots.org/why-mumbai%e2%80%99s-slums-are-villages/comment-page-1/#comment-2686 yogesh pawar Tue, 24 Mar 2009 14:36:27 +0000 http://www.airoots.org/?page_id=512#comment-2686 needs a information list of Slum Declaration area in Malad East. needs a information list of Slum Declaration area in Malad East.

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